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John as usual you type a lot of letters, but you say very little. You and Kara love to act as if you are victims, victims of the make believe war on religion. Both of you like to make baseless claims, or claims for which you offer little or no documentation So when Kara tell the horror tale of the father getting arrested, she offers no original documentation to go with it, police reports for example. She also fails to give us an account of his arrest. That might be telling. I don’t know about this case, but if it is true, it makes me wonder WHY he was arrested. To hear Kara tell it she makes it sound as if he was arrested because of his religious convictions, but that might not be the case. What was taking place when the cops slapped the cuffs on him? Was he calmly sharing his concerns, or was he acting in an erratic, threatening, or dangerous manner? Was he arrested for his convictions, or because he was a danger to himself and others? Like I said I don’t know, but these are questions worth exploring and I am sure the answers would but the story in an interesting context.

Keep in mind Kara and her husband Chris are experts at getting arrested for disrupting public meetings, disorderly conduct and other valid charges. However Chris and Kara are skilled at making it seem as if these arrests are not based on their behavior or breaking the law, but rather their religious beliefs. A prime example of this has to do with a political debate Chris was invited to take part in. All participants of the debate were told beforehand that NO ONE could bring any props on stage; signs, charts, models and the like were prohibited, FOR ALL DEBATERS. Chris was well aware of this, just as all members of the panel were. Yet, Chris chose to violate this contract and bring a statue of the Virgin Mary on stage. When he was asked to remove it based on the “no prop” rule, which he was well aware of, he made such a fuss that he held up the start of the debate for an hour. Not only does the show that Chris thinks his religious beliefs put him above the rules, but to hear him tell the story he was ejected from the meeting because of his religious convictions, not because he violated and agreement he willingly and knowingly entered into. He made it sound like he was a victim of the so called war on religion, rather than a victim of his own conduct.

I recount that event for two reasons. First it is a great illustration of what I was pointing out about the priest. He may have been arrested, but that arrest may have been based on valid reasons, not his theology. Second the account of the “statute capper” shows that Chris and Kara have a pattern of making it look like they are victims of religious discrimination when they are REALLY victims of their own behavior.

Furthermore Kara offers no evidence of the harm she claims will come to children. Just saying there is harm does not mistake it true. How about some empirical data folks?

Finally John to address your point “Kara, you must understand the ground rules. Anyone who expresses ANY view that questions the wisdom of homosexual marriage (about which I remain ambivalent) is a "hater!!", "bigot!!", "homophobe", "intolerant", etc, etc. ” No, a well formed augment based on empirical evidence, with documentation will get you more respect than the incoherent babblings of Kara’s and her ilk above .The other part of entering a dialog is understanding that your points can and will be challenged, and the challenging of your IDEAS are not an attack on you as a person

. Unfortunately people from Kara’s camp don’t understand this. They see any exploration of their ideas as a threat to them rather than the way the “free market place of ideas work” your comment above is evidence of your lack of understanding of this process as well.

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